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National UFO Reporting Center in Washington.

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We understand that you've had a couple good UFO settings.

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You're not too far back.

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One in November and one in December.

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I wonder if we could get a description of what you saw.

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This is the center operated by an organization known as Phenomenon Research.

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Okay.

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Any connection with the Phoenix operation?

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No, sir.

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Okay.

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I'll explain it to you.

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November the 9th, 1978, 1.34 a.m.

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The UFO appeared and I guess he was on the property hovering maybe 50 feet, 60 feet

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off the ground for maybe 20 minutes.

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Full moon, bright, real bright.

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Then he took off and he followed my tree line.

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I'd say he's about 100 yards, 150 yards, 150 yards off my window, my second floor window.

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Now you've got a picture of my place.

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It's in the center of a 250 acre within 20 minutes of Philadelphia.

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I heard no noise.

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I couldn't describe.

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I thought it looked like a cigar myself, you know, like a long tube.

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No noise.

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Then in seconds he was gone.

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His vertical takeoff is slow.

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You know, then when he moves, he moves very fast.

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But the white lights were like icicles flashing all different configurations.

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I attend a Bible class at 6.30 in the morning, that particular morning and I told a voice

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about it.

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Then, but no one else told my wife.

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Then comes December.

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Can I ask you one question on that side?

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Okay, how close were you to that?

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Oh, about 150 yards.

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Right on my property.

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But this is the amazing thing now.

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On December the 11th, Monday, 12, 48 a.m., almost the exact time is the other one.

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Which was on, this is on standard time.

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The other one's on daylight time.

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It was almost a full moon, almost.

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I saw these bright lights in my bedroom and I looked down.

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And it was only there a few minutes before the start of the vertical takeoff.

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And I was at the window.

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We had huge windows.

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I would say my bedroom windows are all good five feet wide, clear, you know.

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And I thought, well, I'll open the window this time to see if it's a helicopter or a jet helicopter.

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When I opened the window, he came right at me.

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But maybe all 50 feet higher than the roof.

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Maybe 100 feet, I don't know.

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And I thought, I saw, but there was no noise until he went by and went,

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Just like a tennis racket.

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And I thought that these people walled in sort of dark suits,

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like five or six sets of controls with a bubble.

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Because I could see now from below.

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It looked like more like a delta wing.

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But I don't know how wide, but I say at least six across at the controls.

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But I could see up from underneath because I didn't have those lights by me.

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I mean, this bubble thing was underneath or on top?

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No, the bubble thing was right.

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Do you have any estimate of size on that object?

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I don't know, 75 feet wide.

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And you did detect figures inside?

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I thought I'm all, you know, everything happened so fast.

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I thought they were in space suits, really all the same.

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And he was maybe five or six across in the control cabinet.

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I never did call a newspaper.

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I never did call anyone.

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So I read this thing in the paper, then that's when I called your man Graham

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because he was interested.

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Because I never really did believe in it myself.

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Now I'm sure they're out there.

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But that one on December 11th, that appeared strictly as a bright light to start with?

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Right. No, the lights keep sort of oscillating or jumping, dancing, dancing lights.

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And it's hard to tell what it is when you see that.

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It looked like a big delt away, but he was moving though.

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Within 150 feet he was moving.

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150, the orange he was moving, must have been moving 150 miles an hour.

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Where they pulled in, where they were hovering, was like a jungle with a lot of vines and whatnot.

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It's pretty hard to tell in the winter time here because the growth is big, you know.

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But I was wondering if I shouldn't take a test if there was radiation there.

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Because it seems like they must run with a magnet or something because there's no jet.

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There's nothing, no atomic, I wouldn't say atomic, but I imagine atomic is too big.

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But if there was the radiation there.

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And that was in the hovering position?

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Oh, he moves, he moves.

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He just sort of, when he hovers there, he sort of twists a little bit, you know.

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Like a rocking motion?

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It's a rocking motion.

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Do you have any estimate of altitude at that point?

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Yeah, I would say maybe 50, 75 feet.

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And then as he approached the house?

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Well, no, he went up, no, he stayed there.

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Then when he, this is the second time, he went up maybe 150 feet, I'm saying.

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But it's amazing how clever they are.

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Big chimneys on my house is probably 1000 feet long.

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And these chimneys are hidden up there, you know.

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But it seems to me they probably only come in here.

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When there's a cloud cover, I never did see them.

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Only on the full moon.

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You know, when it's bright.

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And I was thinking I would put over there a sensor.

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That if the bright light would appear in that section, I'd get a buzz.

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Because I could be here a number of times.

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And I could have been sleeping.

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You know, I'm half awake, I can see this bright light.

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And that's what got me up.

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My eyesight is perfect.

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I'm not excitable.

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I don't think I'd get a picture of them.

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Unless I could have like a mirror or something.

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Do you think they're ultraviolet or something?

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That is possible.

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If the light is bright enough, you could...

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Oh, it's so bright though.

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You could get a picture, don't use a flashball though.

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No.

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And I was wondering if if there's any there for a while, we should take a flashlight and go over to them.

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In other words, after we get a picture upstairs.

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To run outside and take a flashlight.

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To try to signal, you mean?

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Yes.

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Yes, it has been done.

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But when you do, don't aim the flashlight directly at the object.

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Either to the right or left or right or down.

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Right or left or right.

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I'm pointing something at them.

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Have people tried that?

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Oh yes.

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And in several cases they have responded.

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No, kidding.

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Yes.

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I think they're friendly.

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I don't know, but they move fast.

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You know, when they...

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They're slow on the vertical.

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But when they start to plane off, they really fly.

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They're slow going up.

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Very slow going up.

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Not too fast.

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But then when they move, it's like a bullet.

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Alright sir, thank you again.

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Right on.